Right-wing political violence is more frequent, deadly than left-wing violence
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As a matter of fact no, I didn’t. I’d only read about it.
Having watched the clip I agree. The other guy was quite passionate about just locking homeless people up, and then Kilmeade dropped that bombshell. Just casually advocated for mass murder.
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Just for a moment there, I thought you were talking about Russia and Vladimir Putin. It seems that trumps people are taking us in that direction.
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Just a random note regarding Kimmel:
Being displeased with the ABC higher-up's cowardice, I decided to cancel my Disney+ subscription and let them know why I was taking my dollars away. From The Walt Disney Company contact us webpage we get a link to ABC's contact webpage.
Funny that it now returns a "Nothing here" response, when you can see the listings on the Wayback Machine from yesterday.
Their executive in-boxes filters must have been overwhelmed.
Being displeased with the ABC higher-up's cowardice, I decided to cancel my Disney+ subscription and let them know why I was taking my dollars away. From The Walt Disney Company contact us webpage we get a link to ABC's contact webpage.
Funny that it now returns a "Nothing here" response, when you can see the listings on the Wayback Machine from yesterday.
Their executive in-boxes filters must have been overwhelmed.
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With all the focus on the Kimmel cancellation, once again we are being distracted about the files on this guy named Epstein. /s
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As insightful as this was, knowing the history of the United States, I'm more worried this will be used as justification for the US to authorize covert operations to frame left-wing organizations in terrorist acts.
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No. Idiocracy was a movie where based on breeding, the average IQ dropped massively, but most people, including the President, tried their best to make the country as good as possible. They were just not very good at it.
What the USA have right now is a gang of grifters, trying everything they can to grab and hold on to power, with no regards whatsoever for their country. Most of them with one notable exception are actually quite smart. Seriously, does anyone believe that RFKjr doesn’t know what bacteria and viruses are and that vaccinations help people? The problem is that he found a different path that gives him more power.
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That’s probably one intention by labelling antifa as a terrorist - sorry, major terrorist - organisation.
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For the "why is this on Ars?" crowd:
1) It's science, and we cover science. That it's "political" isn't really a thing, science is very political these days, but in many ways always has been. If we find it interesting and it's science it's fair game, and always has been
2) On the topic of "political" we have had a policy section for more than two decades at this point. If you're a real old school Ars reader you might remember when it had a cuter name than Policy, it was called Law & Disorder:
The idea that science and technology are tied to politics in deep ways has been understood here from the beginning. This is nothing new.
3) Stories like this are important. Facts and data are important. The media is doing a poor job in general with both these days. We aren't here to be the counter-narrative to everything, but when it's in our wheelhouse and we can contribute to important conversations we're going to seize those opportunities
1) It's science, and we cover science. That it's "political" isn't really a thing, science is very political these days, but in many ways always has been. If we find it interesting and it's science it's fair game, and always has been
2) On the topic of "political" we have had a policy section for more than two decades at this point. If you're a real old school Ars reader you might remember when it had a cuter name than Policy, it was called Law & Disorder:
The idea that science and technology are tied to politics in deep ways has been understood here from the beginning. This is nothing new.
3) Stories like this are important. Facts and data are important. The media is doing a poor job in general with both these days. We aren't here to be the counter-narrative to everything, but when it's in our wheelhouse and we can contribute to important conversations we're going to seize those opportunities
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Conservatives tend to be savages. I'm not saying that to get a rise out of anyone. They genuinely have a ingrained violent side to them. Right here before you, is the data, or at least it was, before DOJ removed it.
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My only disagreement with your assertion is the "covert" part. They already used agent provocateurs during the BLM protests to instigate riots specifically so the police could engage in brutality (see how many people actually believe the "Portland/Minneapolis are smoking craters" narrative to gauge how effective they were), they don't need to be covert about it because enough people are more than on-board with "correcting the wrong people".
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It's wild to me that some of these folks have 12+ year old accounts and still can't wrap their heads around this.
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This is the original antifa. They went over to Europe to fight the fascists.
Little did they know their descendants would be doing it again on our soil. They would be disgusted at the today's republican party.
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Politics can control technology for good or for worse after what happened to Jimmy Kimmel shows you what you post Online or say on air can be used against you.
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To quote JD Vance, vice president of the United States:
Vance is right. There can be no unity with people like this.
Or, you know, throw them into jail, or deny them healthcare, or food support.
Like denying that he provably said some absolutely vile and loathsome things.
Like the people who tormented an entire town after a mass-shooting in an elementary school, calling them liars and crisis actors.
Like proposing October 14th become a Day of Remembrance for Charlie Kirk, and gleefully taking advantage of this tragedy to push forward their political agenda. The right has embraced this murder as a unique opportunity with a fervor that is practically religious.
Vance is right. There can be no unity with people like this.
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It has been fascinating to watch this rhetorical gulf open up in real time in the wake of Kirk's assassination.
There is still very little credible information about what the shooters motivations were, other than what has been dug up from his social media, and what little information that has been released by the authorities, yet since the very beginning the conclusion that the shooter would be officially labeled a "far-left extremist" has been a foregone conclusion. Patel's FBI complete and utter lack of credibility means that any information released or conclusions reached from the official investigation is at best highly suspect. The fumbling attempts to link him to LGBTQ+ community are blatant, first he was trans, then had a trans girlfriend, then it was his roommate, then it was some maybe ironic maybe not meme shitposts about queer people.
The only real convincing analysis I have seen has shown that the shooter was terminally online, and involved in some of the most reprehensible online groups on the internet. Gryoper nonsense, Helldivers memes, furry shitposts etc. Without some actual credible investigation or testimony from the shooter himself (which at this point I would take with a truckload of salt) it is effectively impossible to discern.
And the frustrating part is that we will never actually get that. For the far right it doesnt even matter, Kirks death is a pretext to target ANYONE they deem "leftists".
The fact that this article was published is sort of proof of my point. Reasonable people will look and say, well here are the facts, but it DOES NOT MATTER to the far-right. This happens again and again and again, Kirk himself pioneered this sort of weaponized rhetorical ignorance; Just smugly retort with whatever made up bullshit you want and as long as you say it loudly enough and repeat it enough, the ones who listen to you will take it as gospel. The point of the "debate" was never to convince woke leftists to be misoginists, or racists, or homophobes, it was to give the people who were already bigots affirmation of their bigotry.
There is still very little credible information about what the shooters motivations were, other than what has been dug up from his social media, and what little information that has been released by the authorities, yet since the very beginning the conclusion that the shooter would be officially labeled a "far-left extremist" has been a foregone conclusion. Patel's FBI complete and utter lack of credibility means that any information released or conclusions reached from the official investigation is at best highly suspect. The fumbling attempts to link him to LGBTQ+ community are blatant, first he was trans, then had a trans girlfriend, then it was his roommate, then it was some maybe ironic maybe not meme shitposts about queer people.
The only real convincing analysis I have seen has shown that the shooter was terminally online, and involved in some of the most reprehensible online groups on the internet. Gryoper nonsense, Helldivers memes, furry shitposts etc. Without some actual credible investigation or testimony from the shooter himself (which at this point I would take with a truckload of salt) it is effectively impossible to discern.
And the frustrating part is that we will never actually get that. For the far right it doesnt even matter, Kirks death is a pretext to target ANYONE they deem "leftists".
The fact that this article was published is sort of proof of my point. Reasonable people will look and say, well here are the facts, but it DOES NOT MATTER to the far-right. This happens again and again and again, Kirk himself pioneered this sort of weaponized rhetorical ignorance; Just smugly retort with whatever made up bullshit you want and as long as you say it loudly enough and repeat it enough, the ones who listen to you will take it as gospel. The point of the "debate" was never to convince woke leftists to be misoginists, or racists, or homophobes, it was to give the people who were already bigots affirmation of their bigotry.
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When someone says "why is this on Ars" they usually mean "I find the facts as presented uncomfortable".
We cover social science stuff all the time. Nobody blinks until the study is about guns, or political affiliation, and then suddenly it's different somehow from everything else.
Shrug. We're gonna cover what we think is important. We're not interested in being a "political" site, we're also not going to not cover something because it's "political".
This week's vaccine coverage is very political. That's just reality, not something we're choosing.
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There was that guy many years ago (I think he called himself "Horse") that went a few rounds on America's Got Talent for setting up contraptions to smash his own balls...
Remember, Fox News is "entertainment" and no one should take them seriously, but comedians like Kimmel, Fallon, and Colbert are leaders of the left and are never 'just joking' as they push a leftist ideology! /s (Edit: confused my "Jimmy"s again, inserted the right one, but the other is under scrutiny, too.)
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The greatest generation beat the Nazis, and literally fought our own allies for treating Black soldiers like people. Then they went home and perpetuated stuff like Jim Crow for multiple generations. I don't think they would be as disgusted as we would like.
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Did you condemn Charlie Kirk when he said President Biden should be given the death penalty?
Care to criticize Charlie for saying that, while also providing social media accounts for conservatives to attack?
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Because Free Speech is under attack, and Free Speech underpins nearly everything we're about here at Ars. Without Free Speech, there is no science.
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This sounds an awful lot like a suggestion people self-censor for fear the regime will shut down Ars. Let's not do that.
Posts should be civil because we want Ars to be a civil place, not because we're afraid a regime blatantly acting in contravention of the US Constitution might come in at some point and shut it down.
Do not obey in advance.
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Because the the right is composed of people perpetually scared of their own shadows. It's why they all want to carry guns for 'protection' from something. Because their mommy isn't there to tell them it's going to be okay, they gravitate to a figure that says strong things to make them feel safe.
They're cowards.
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JFC this is the second time today that I've been told that the Oklahoma City Bombing was an act of left wing violence. We can't even have basic agreement of reality anymore, but I guess that is the whole damn point.
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Imagine writing this under the very same article that literally disproves it. That'd be pretty fucking funny, right?
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I'm guessing you're talking about all the posts calling for the literal execution of anyone not mourning their hero of free speech enough and the cheering posts of when Glorious Leader was talking about arresting people for it.
I don't know the answer to this... would Charlie Kirk approve of all the silencing that is going on right now? He was really big into Freedom of Speech, right? Going to colleges, etc. and not being turned away, etc., right? I would venture a guess that if he was really a believer in Freedom of Speech and being allowed to say what he wanted, when he wanted, he wouldn't want what's going on right now being done by the people who claim that he's a hero. But that's just a guess... I don't know if he was an actual believer in Freedom of Speech or if he was one of you guys... who just says it because it sounds cool but your actions prove otherwise.
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People with Green Cards are self censoring already because they fear having their GC revoked and being forced out of the country.
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