{"id":475798,"date":"2024-04-16T10:00:48","date_gmt":"2024-04-16T14:00:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/commercialobserver.com\/?p=475798"},"modified":"2024-10-16T13:57:24","modified_gmt":"2024-10-16T17:57:24","slug":"colliers-michael-cohen-filling-space","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/commercialobserver.com\/2024\/04\/colliers-michael-cohen-filling-space\/","title":{"rendered":"Colliers\u2019 Michael Cohen On Filling All That Empty New York Office Space"},"content":{"rendered":"

In the New York area, there are a handful of transcendent real estate brokerages: CBRE, Cushman & Wakefield, JLL, Newmark, Savills.<\/span><\/p>\n

Colliers is one of them too. Those in high positions at any one of these firms have a special vantage point on New York and its health as an engine for nationwide business growth. Ignore their opinions on the city\u2019s economic health at your own risk.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Therefore Michael Cohen\u2019s viewpoint is an important one. Cohen, president of the global brokerage\u2019s New York tri-state region, is almost never at a loss for words about that region and where it\u2019s going.<\/span><\/p>\n

Cohen, with some assistance from Colliers\u2019 statistical guru Franklin Wallach, recently sat down with Commercial Observer to answer questions that have been on the minds of not only the real estate industry\u2019s professionals <\/span>but policymakers<\/span><\/a> and other business leaders.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

This interview has been edited for length and clarity.\u00a0<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

Commercial Observer: How do you see Manhattan leasing its way back to 10 percent availability (it was 18 percent at the end of the first quarter, per Colliers data), and how long will that take?<\/b>
\nMichael Cohen: <\/b>So, I imagine you knew this when you asked the question: I don\u2019t really see us leasing our way back to 10 percent, or anything near 10 percent. Improved leasing can reasonably be part of the equation, but it\u2019s not the single factor.<\/p>\n

So if 10 percent is not the new normal, what is the new normal?<\/b>
\nJob growth alone, which has historically been the way we lease ourselves out of the troughs of the market cycle, is not going to be sufficient. We\u2019re going to have to look for other ways to reduce the oversupply to a more manageable number, closer to that 10 percent equilibrium<\/p>\n

In some places in this market, we\u2019re already there, remarkably. The difference between Park and Sixth and Third and some of the other submarkets as of year end 2023 \u2014 Sixth Avenue and Park Avenue in the primary areas have an availability rate of between 11.5 and 12 percent, which is much closer to market equilibrium, whereas Third Avenue, Seventh Avenue and Broadway had availabilities in the 19- and 20-plus percentages.<\/span><\/p>\n

So what you are saying is that we are seeing the areas along Park and Sixth race ahead while the rest of the city lags. Are you saying we\u2019re going to have \u201chave avenues\u201d and \u201chave-not avenues\u201d? A bifurcation of the market? It would be nice if you had one part of town where everything is rosy and another where you could work on all sorts of conversion options.<\/b>
\n<\/b>I just want to clarify a couple of things regarding Park and Sixth. It\u2019s not just their locations, which have always been appealing, as you have pointed out. There\u2019s always been a tremendous amount of capital that has gone into them to make them more appealing to a 21st century audience. Also, the southern end around Bryant Park has also been a crossover market that is almost unique to Midtown, and that has appealed to the technology industry, anchored by the Salesforce Tower overlooking Bryant Park, which kind of gave the equivalent of the Salesforce seal of approval to that part of town.<\/span><\/p>\n

And we\u2019ve seen Indeed, Global Relay and a number of other technology clients focus on the Bryant Park neighborhood as distinguished from Sixth Avenue in general, and that has given Sixth Avenue a competitive advantage over other parts of Midtown.<\/span><\/p>\n

The list of technology companies on Sixth also includes Take-Two Interactive at 1133 Avenue of the Americas, and then the other one is Array, and the one at 5 Bryant Park is Seamless-Grubhub. You don\u2019t find technology companies in the Plaza District or on Park Avenue \u2014 that\u2019s mostly financial services. But Sixth attracts finance and technology.<\/span><\/p>\n

So the question still remains, how do we get from almost 100 million empty square feet or an availability rate of 18 percent, back to something closer to 10 percent, as we have on Park and Sixth? And the answer is a little of this and a little of that. It\u2019s not monolithic.<\/span><\/p>\n

You say it\u2019s not monolithic, but a lot of it is going to be office-to-resi conversion. Give me your take on that.<\/b>
\n<\/b>Let\u2019s start with the elephant in the room: residential conversion. We can all recall that once upon a time, resi conversion was what helped downtown with its oversupply. And we\u2019ve already seen that phenomenon start again. It\u2019s very robust. Frank, what was our total square footage count so far for confirmed residential conversions?<\/span><\/p>\n

Franklin Wallach: <\/b>When we did this a few weeks ago, I believe it was in the ballpark of 8 million square feet or so. But it\u2019s a living document.<\/span><\/p>\n

Cohen: <\/b>There are many more that are unconfirmed. We hesitate to share that because it can stigmatize a building, and it could prove to be wrong.<\/span><\/p>\n

The current 8 million, much of that is already taken out of inventory, though not all. What\u2019s available is not almost 100 million minus 8 million. The most recent addition of 222 Broadway took half a million square feet off the market overnight. Sometimes they\u2019re dribs and drabs. You just don\u2019t know.<\/span><\/p>\n

Seems the Adams administration has been going around saying we\u2019re all about conversion. But I don\u2019t know if the real estate establishment agrees that they\u2019re doing everything they can to make conversions happen. As a member of the real estate establishment, what do you think? Do you think they could be doing more?<\/b>
\n<\/b>Cohen: <\/b>Colliers doesn\u2019t permit me to take political positions. I can answer your question, but not as to the Adams administration specifically. Before I answer, do we have a number for how much square feet is being readied for conversion?<\/span><\/p>\n

Wallach:<\/b> Yes, it\u2019s a little over 16 million square feet \u2014 confirmed, most likely, rumored, wait and see. Residential conversion, conversion to hotel \u2014 all fall under that umbrella.<\/span><\/p>\n

Cohen:<\/b> To come back to the question, legislation that is going to automate this process is going to be a big boost. That includes rezoning Midtown South. The city speaks to the elimination of these anachronistic manufacturing zones in that area that are really brimming these days with hospitality and retail and residential and office, and are not hospitable to manufacturing.<\/span><\/p>\n

I\u2019m going to switch hats here for a moment and be a bit of a booster because, as you may know, I chair the business improvement district known as Flatiron-NoMad, and we consider our neighborhood the poster child for the city of the future. The epicenter of Flatiron-NoMad is Madison Square Park. If you look in all directions around the park, you find the live-work-play environment that is so desirable.<\/span><\/p>\n

And, to the north and the west of us, there are parts of town that cannot be put to their highest and best use under the current zoning. And the city is well underway soliciting public comment and planning to complete the public review and approval process by 2026. That\u2019s going to open up millions of square feet for redevelopment into residential, both conversions and new construction. And I think there is tremendous demand for that. It\u2019s long overdue.<\/span><\/p>\n

Seems what you are saying is we can rezone our way out of the problem, and market forces will eventually take care of it.<\/b>
\n<\/b>That is precisely it. You restated it beautifully. It\u2019s not just the rezoning of Midtown South, but also initiatives that allow the creation of residential space to become easier.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

I\u2019m not a zoning lawyer, but I will cite my favorite example. This is part of what the Adams administration calls the City of Yes. All my professional career, the mix of commercial and residential had to be such that the commercial was below the residential. So the base of the building could be office and the tower residential \u2014 for reasons I never questioned or understood. You can\u2019t mix it. If the 11th floor is residential, the 12th floor can\u2019t be commercial But that distinction is proposed for elimination now. I don\u2019t know what the justification was. Maybe there was one once upon a time.<\/span><\/p>\n

That\u2019s my favorite example of the kind of outdated limitations that are proposed for elimination.<\/span><\/p>\n

I think that the city is going to see a metamorphosis as this plays out. There continues to be demand from people that want to live here, and the market will take advantage of that.<\/span><\/p>\n

The third thing to consider is teardowns, which may result in more desirable office buildings, or hotels or hospitality \u2014 the use is not preordained. We’ve emptied out a building in the Plaza District. SL Green had 625 Madison, ours is a stone’s throw away at 655 Madison. We’re going to see those buildings get torn down and replaced probably by a mixture of retail, hospitality, and residential. And I don’t have to tell you that all three of those uses are very desirable in the Plaza District.<\/span><\/p>\n

I have a theory that I haven’t heard anybody else share, which I will share with you. The city has, for a long time, had very little new development. In the real estate business, a modern building was one that was built in the 1980s or 1990s. There was very little in the wake of the 2001 meltdown, very little construction in the 21st century. And part of the problem was that in the most desirable neighborhoods along Park and Madison and so forth, if you tore down a building, you couldn’t even rebuild what you tore down. So intrepid developers like L&L Holding came up with workarounds.<\/span><\/p>\n

So we had this inability to create new product due to this anachronistic zoning. L&L used these workarounds, but they were not as satisfying as tearing down an old building and replacing it with a new one. So Hudson Yards was born, I believe, off the overflow of tenants who could not find the large modern new buildings that they needed in Midtown.<\/span><\/p>\n

Simultaneous with Hudson Yards, the city did an experiment with rezoning to allow buildings as large as One Vanderbilt, which proved hugely popular.<\/p>\n

The city rezoned the site and allowed SL Green to purchase air rights. In return, the city got transit improvements, and this became a template for the Midtown East rezoning. This resulted in a modern building right in the heart of Midtown.<\/b>
\nAnd, in the wake of One Vanderbilt, the city changed the zoning, so the air rights to St. Patrick\u2019s and Grand Central are fungible over a large swath of Midtown East.<\/p>\n

The poster child for this, I always say, is 250 Park, which is in a fabulous location and is being offered for sale right now. It\u2019s a building that has a demolition clause in it. I guarantee you, every buyer looking at that building is looking at it as a development site. It will eventually be torn down and replaced by a supertall.<\/span><\/p>\n

Look for a moment at the other end of the market \u2014 the market for Class B and Class C product. I get the sense that you guys actually see a market for that that might not be visible to the general public.<\/b>
\nThere’s no question that the B product is getting an unnecessarily bad rap. What people fail to understand is that within the B product category there are gradations. And there is a flight to quality. So, you can be a highly successful B building in this market if you are well positioned, well priced and well financed \u2014 and well thought out as property. I think we saw some disproportionate leasing in the B category already this year.<\/p>\n

Wallach: <\/b>There was just under 2 million square feet of leasing activity in the Class B product in the fourth quarter of 2023, which was the highest single quarter of Class B leasing activity in two years. And, as far as notable transactions that took place in 2023 and early 2024, you had Ralph Lauren Polo with their renewal at 601 West 26th Street; then you had Michael Kors this year, at 11 West 42nd. You had David Yurman with 154,000 square feet of renewal and expansion at 200 Hudson Street.<\/span><\/p>\n

You might call these kinds of users \u201ccool.\u201d They\u2019re in fashion, one of the creative industries. Is that a trend?<\/b>
\nCohen: <\/b>What I would say to you is \u2014 and I\u2019m wearing my Flatiron-NoMad hat now \u2014 our market is full of former department stores, cast-iron buildings, buildings with architectural cachet, that attract creative tenants. You can\u2019t build a 21st century cast-iron building, or an architecturally distinctive Ladies Mile department store. That inventory can\u2019t increase, and the demand for it from the creative sector has not gone away.<\/p>\n

Some of these buildings have amenities built into them now. Some of them have the amenities next door, down the block. Do you need to have a barista on the ground floor when Mangia is next door? These neighborhoods and their architectural cachet cannot be replicated.<\/span><\/p>\n

CORRECTION:<\/strong> This article was updated to reflect the correct addresses for 222 Broadway and 601 West 26th Street.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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