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Feb 13, 2008 3:55 PM

Issues with VMWare Fusion and Vista Home Premium on MacBook Air

Has anyone experienced stability issues running Windows under VMWare Fusion?

I have attempted to install Vista Home Premium in a virtual machine within Fusion. Although it installs OK, it has frequently hung up the virtual machine, refusing to shut down, re-start, or go into suspend (even using the menus within Fusion to do this). This has been most prevalent since Windows Update installed a bunch of patches, but nevertheless it is certainly something that should not be occurring.

I don't plan on using Windows all that often (I would have purchased a MacBook Pro if that was my intent), but need it to run two relatively resource-light applications (my phone sync software and MS Money), and would prefer to open up Fusion rather than restart my Mac all the time. I noticed, as well, that suddenly Vista is taking up about twice as much space as before, which leads me to believe that something is causing it to thrash constantly to the disk (slowing things down).

I've increased the allocation of RAM to 1GB from 512MB, and set it to use both processor cores (from the default 512MB and single core), which doesn't seem to have helped.

Do you have a better experience installing Windows using Boot camp and then using Fusion to open up the Windows partition in OS X? Do you have any other suggestions?

I have a MacBook Air (1.8GHz with Hard Drive), and had set the size of the swap file to 20GB, of which Vista takes up about 7GB. I'm running CA Internet Security Suite within the virtual machine. I have Fusion 1.1.1 installed on Leopard (10.5.2), and have also installed the VMWare Tools within the virtual machine. If I go the Boot Camp route, I'll devote 25GB to the Vista partition.
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1. Feb 13, 2008 7:39 PM in response to: KPO'M
Re: Issues with VMWare Fusion and Vista Home Premium on MacBook Air
This is a bummer. Didn't I read that the Air is your first Mac ever?

K. wrote: Has anyone experienced stability issues running Windows under VMWare Fusion?

e. responds: Under Leopard 10.5.1 and Fusion 1.1.1, I run a 2GHz/2GB SR mini with a 32GB Fusion allocation (no partitioning with BootCamp) assigning 1.25GB RAM and one core to Fusion. I use Vista Ultimate and Adobe Master with no problems loading or suspending Fusion. I can turn Vista guest off and on, load Tools/Quicktime and function in Master without software problems. I can't access firewire or usb drives from within Fusion. I don't do Windows update but have dl'ed a sound driver for Windows.

Do you have any possible hardware conflicts with an external keyboard, mouse, or external drive?

Edit: Have you connected or disconnected hardware while in suspend? Taking off the DVD player after suspend is a problem.

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2. Feb 13, 2008 7:25 PM in response to: edmetric
Re: Issues with VMWare Fusion and Vista Home Premium on MacBook Air
It is possible that Fusion has some "issues" with the MacBook Air. In a similar vein, there was a point where Parallels would NOT recognize a flash drive or USB hard drive within Windoze XP on my dad's MacBook Pro, but the same version of Parallels would recognize the same drives just fine in Windoze XP on my MacBook Pro...the only difference was his was a 2nd Gen MBP and mine was a 1st Gen MBP. Thus, Parallels needed to be updated to address some hardware change in the 2nd Gen MBP and it had not happened yet (I will note that was quite a while ago...both work fine now). The point is that there might be new hardware "stuff" that Fusion (and Parallels) might need to be updated to deal with on the MacBook Air.

I will also add that don't expect help from VMWare. Since you are running Windoze Vista Home Premium in a "virtual" environment, you are technically violating Micro$oft's dumb and money grubbing EULA for Vista. The EULA only permits Vista Ultimate or Business to be run in virtual environments like Fusions or Parallels (unless they finally changed their stance when I was not looking). As a result, both Parallels and VMWare are on record, if I recall correctly, saying they will not support the use of Vista Home Premium or Basic in their programs.


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4. Feb 13, 2008 9:11 PM in response to: KPO'M
Re: Issues with VMWare Fusion and Vista Home Premium on MacBook Air
KPO'M wrote:
Thanks. It seems that VMWare and Parallels aren't quite ready for prime time, which is a bit surprising seeing that Intel Macs have been out for almost 2 years now.

I am not sure that is the case. Parallels runs just fine on my MacBook Pro. Keep in mind that Parallels and Fusion have to deal pretty closely with hardware issues. As such, changes to hardware can cause problems with current versions. It is not different than what you encounter with OSs. I will note that usually when a new hardware comes out, Apple has to release a slight upgrade to the OS to help the OS deal with potential new hardware issues. This is the same thing with a program like Parallels and Fusion. Both are NOT like your typical program that largely just runs on top of the OS with little care to what the hardware is.

KPO'M wrote:
Anyway, Microsoft did finally change its stance and allows Vista Home editions to be used in virtualization.

I shall have to a little searching as I did not see that change.


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5. Feb 13, 2008 9:20 PM in response to: KPO'M
Re: Issues with VMWare Fusion and Vista Home Premium on MacBook Air
KPO'M wrote:
Anyway, Microsoft did finally change its stance and allows Vista Home editions to be used in virtualization.

Ummm...nope. From the Micro$oft EULA for Home Premium:

"USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may not use the software installed on the
licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system."

You can see it here for yourself.


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6. Feb 14, 2008 5:06 AM in response to: KPO'M
Re: Issues with VMWare Fusion and Vista Home Premium on MacBook Air
KPO'M,

VMWare Fusion will support just about anything down to MS DOS 6.x but, strangely enough, Windows Vista Home Basic and Home Premium. This applies to both the 32- and 64-Bit versions of Windows.

Read all about it here.

Martin
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7. Feb 14, 2008 6:43 AM in response to: Quietus_Prime
Re: Issues with VMWare Fusion and Vista Home Premium on MacBook Air
Quietus_Prime wrote:
KPO'M,

VMWare Fusion will support just about anything down to MS DOS 6.x but, strangely enough, Windows Vista Home Basic and Home Premium. This applies to both the 32- and 64-Bit versions of Windows.

Read all about it here.

Martin

They don't "support" Vista Home Basic or Vista Home Premium because it is against Micro$oft's EULA to use either in a virtual environment. And even if you run Vista Ultimate in a virtual environment like Fusion or Parallels, the EULA does not permit you to use any Micro$oft applications or content that has some sort of protection (like DRM...thus, techinically you cannot watch a DRM protected movie in Windoze Media Player in a virtual environment under Vista Ultimate per the EULA) not use BitLocker. It is NOT because they are incompatible or won't work, but rather because Micro$oft has made a policy decision that does permit such use in the EULA.


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9. Feb 14, 2008 8:54 AM in response to: KPO'M
Re: Issues with VMWare Fusion and Vista Home Premium on MacBook Air
KPO'M wrote:
Microsoft changed its stance last month. So far VMWare hasn't officially caught up. Nonetheless, there is no technological reason why Vista Home wouldn't work. I can try running XP. I'd like to avoid the Boot Camp route.

http://www.macworld.com/article/131732/2008/01/virtual_vista.html

Thanks for the correction. For what ever reason, my search did NOT turn up that article...and the EULA on the Micro$oft website does not appear to have been updated. Glad to see that Micro$oft finally got their head out of their tushie. :-)


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